Seattle F2F 2014
Dates: 2014 January 27-29
Organizer: Sylvain Galineau, Adobe
Note:
Meeting Minutes
Monday, 27 January:
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Part II, Syntax, Shapes, Serialization
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Part IV, Transitions and Animations
Part V, Propdef Tables, Grid Layout, Issue Tracking
Part VI, CSS3 Backgrounds, CSS2.2, Counter Styles, -webkit-print-color-adjust
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Tuesday, 28 January:
Part I, Media Queries, Baseline Grids, currentColor
Part II, Reversed Lists, Transforms, Display Module, 9-slice recap
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Part IV, Flexbox, <br>, Serialization and Shapes
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Wednesday, 29 January:
Part I, Page Selectors and Groups, CSS2.1, Region Styling
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Part III, will-change, Blending and Compositing
Part IV, Masking, Gradients, SVG Text Fills
Part V, Media Query Macros, CSSOM Value
API
Part VI, Custom Filters, SVG Hover Effects
Location
Adobe Seattle, 801 North 34th Street
The main entrance is in the north-east corner of the building.
Meeting room: Adobe U, first floor straight through the double doors after the reception, take a right at the end.
Dial-in info:
Toll-free (US/Canada): 1-855-870-5454
International dial-in: +1-408-773-6768
Conference code: 9939150137
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Parking: the visitor parking lot is on the East side of the building, under the Aurora bridge. (Nearly straight when you drive down the ramp from 34th St). Reception will give you a pass to hang from your mirror.
Weather Forecast: °C or °F
Participants
(Alphabetical by full name.)
Name | Representing | Arrive | Leave | Hotel | Flight Info | Notes |
Alan Stearns | Adobe | (host) | (host) | home | N/A | |
Bert Bos | W3C | 25 Jan | 30 Jan | Hampton Inn Seattle-Downtown | KL6033 12:05 / KL6032 13:20 | |
Brian Birtles | Mozilla | 29-jan | 31-jan | Courtyard Marriott | ? | |
Cameron McCormack | Mozilla | 28-Jan | 01-Feb | Courtyard Marriott | AS223 22:58 / AS460 10:45 | Low carbohydrate options preferred (i.e. meats, cheeses, salads, most veggies good), but don't make too much special effort. |
Chris Lilley | W3C | 24-Jan | 01-Feb | 11th Avenue BnB | UA6249 16:14 / BA48 18:10 | arriving SFO>SEA |
Daniel Glazman | Samsung | 25-jan | 29-jan | Courtyard Marriott | AF3622 12:40pm / AS226 08:30pm | |
Dave Cramer | Hachette | 24-Jan | 30-jan | Courtyard Marriott | UA408 12:06pm / UA278 11:10am | |
Dirk Schulze | Adobe | 24-Jan | 31-Jan | Courtyard Marriott | No idea | arriving FRA>SEA |
fantasai | Invited expert | 26-Jan | 30-Jan | TBD | United | |
Florian Rivoal | Invited expert | 25-Jan | 1-Feb | Courtyard Mariott | FI681 4:40PM / FI680 3:30PM | |
Glenn Adams | Cox | | | | | phone only |
Israel Hilerio | Microsoft | | | home | N/A | |
Jacob Goldstein | Adobe | 26-Jan | 31-Jan | | | |
Kazutaka YAMAMOTO | NTT | 26-Jan | 30-Jan | The Edgewater | NH1178/NH1177 | |
L. David Baron | Mozilla | 26 Jan | 29 Jan | Courtyard Marriott | UA1581 20:10 / UA6367 19:31 | |
Leif Arne Storset | Opera | 25 Jan | 29 Jan | Courtyard Marriott | UA 1088 20:42 / WN 601 19:30 | No onion, limit garlic and wheat. (Intolerance only, not an allergy. I.e. don't worry that I'll die if there's a mistake.) |
Matt Rakow | Microsoft | | | home | N/A | |
Peter Linss | HP | 26-jan | 01-feb | Courtyard Marriott | UA6249 04:19pm / UA816 01:10pm | |
Philippe Le Hegaret | W3C | 26-Jan | 29-Jan | Courtyard Marriott | UA1075 18:18 / UA0408 12:56 | |
Rik Cabanier | Adobe | (host) | (host) | home | N/A | observer |
Rossen Atanassov | Microsoft | | | home | N/A | pescaterian |
Simon Fraser | Apple | 26-Jan | 29-Jan | Courtyard Marriott | AA227 /AA226 | |
Simon Sapin | Mozilla | 26-jan | 30-jan | Courtyard Marriott | AA6929 2:50pm / BA48 6:10pm | |
Steve Zilles | Adobe | 25 Jan | 29 Jan | Marriott Courtyard | United | |
Sylvain Galineau | Adobe | (host) | (host) | home | N/A | |
Tab Atkins | Google | 25-Jan | 29-Jan | Courtyard Marriott | Amtrak in (~8:30pm) / Alaska 226 (8:30pm) out | |
Taichi KAWABATA | NTT | 25-Jan | 29-Jan | Marriott Lakeside | ANA NH1078/NH1077 | |
Tantek Çelik | Mozilla | 026 | 029 | Courtyard Marriott | VX748 20:05 / VX759 19:05 20:05 | Pescetarian. No goat cheese (Intolerance only, not an allergy. As Leif said.) |
Koji Ishii | Invited expert | 25 Jan | 30 Jan | Hampton Inn Seattle-Downtown | DL580 16:45 / DL9091 7:20 | |
Regrets:
Agenda
Monday
AM
Variables - what's left before CR?
Masking - remaining issues, LC/CR
<shape-box> for clip-path ok?
bounding-box/bounding-client-rect as reference box
Fragmentation defined by box-decoration-break properties
mask-box or 9-sliced-image function
Syntax 3 CR
Shapes - remaining issues, LC/CR
Update on Shadow DOM Styling
spec
PM
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Grid - open issues, initial value of grid-auto-flow
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TTA - status, what's left?, get it done
Animations
Backgrounds and Borders LC
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Selectors
Tuesday
AM
PM
Wednesday
AM
PM
Blending/compositing, CR (FX day)
Masking - remaining issues, LC/CR
fill/stroke with background syntax (FX day)
Proposal: ability to specify gradient midpoints (Rik)
Custom media features
Tab's topics:
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Layout Transition Primitives, three small JS primitives for addressing the problem of transitioning between different layouts. (That is, “when I switch the 'grid' property, everything should fly to its new place!”.)
http://tabatkins.github.io/specs/layout-transitions/
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Transport to/from Airport
Housing
Nearest hotels
Downtown hotels
Capitol Hill hotels
Though farther than downtown, Cap Hill is the fun and hip area of Seattle. Very walkable and a lot of restaurants, bars etc. Highly recommended if you're going to spend a little extra time here but it will be more work to reach the meeting venue from here (while the inns below are not much farther from Adobe than the downtown waterfront, there is a lake in the way…)
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AirBnb
Though Seattle is not as clustered with Airbnb options as other cities, it is catching up.
The Fremont and Wallingford neighborhoods guarantee you walking distance to the meeting. The Eastlake neighborhood is bikable but remember: late January implies some rain.
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Travel to/from Adobe
At 3.8 miles the waterfront Marriott is the furthest from the office.
A number of buses - 26, 28, 40 - can be taken from 3rd & Virginia downtown to Fremont. Ride time ~20-30mn depending on traffic. One-way ride fare is $2.50.
Uber/UberX, Lyft and car2go are also available in Seattle.
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Bus travel from Courtyard Marriott
The 40 and 62 buses travel stop within a block from our office, leaving on Westlake Ave. across from the hotel.
Both buses will stop right before the Fremont bridge (“Westlake Aly” stop).
Only the 40 crosses the bridge and stops at N 34th St.
If you get off before the bridge - or right after - the quickest way to Adobe is to start walking across the bridge then down the staircase to the canal bank. These staircases are located right after the blue towers on each side of the bridge. Watch for bike traffic both on the bridge and on the trail at the bottom of the stairs.
Fare: $2.50 at peak time, exact change upon boarding.
Group dinner
* This will be held at hunger a couple of blocks from our office on the evening of Tuesday 1/28/2014.
Proposed topics for the meeting
Mediaqueries
MQ4 review changes and FPWD?
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Add Tab as an editor
deprecate device-width, device-height, device-aspect-ratio?
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Masking - remaining issues, LC/CR
<shape-box> for clip-path ok?
bounding-box/bounding-client-rect as reference box
Fragmentation defined by box-decoration-break properties
mask-box or 9-sliced-image function
userSpaceOnUse for
HTML (FX day)
New boxes (possibly SVG specific) viewport, stroke-box (FX day)
Fragmentation
background positioning/sizing on auto height and variable width fragments
fragmentation of borders with border radius going to the next fragment
specify transform-origin on fragmentation (follow up previous resolution)
Shapes - remaining issues, LC/CR
Flexbox - remaining issues, LC
Grid - open issues, initial value of grid-auto-flow
TTA - status, what's left?, get it done
Update on Shadow DOM Styling
spec
Display
spec - FPWD, naming display-extras and box, use fantasai's run-in model
Selectors
CSS3 Color and currentColor erratum
Variables - what's left before CR?
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Reversed lists
Animations
fill/stroke with background syntax (FX day)
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Proposal: ability to specify gradient midpoints (Rik)
Baseline grid
Syntax 3 CR
Scroll Snap Points
Move environment encoding for @import to Cascade, for <?xml-stylesheet into CSSOM
CSS-Ruby Ruby-merge default value be
auto?