===== Sydney F2F February 2015 ===== * Host: Google * Dates: Monday-Wednesday, February 09-11, 2015 (with SVG on Wednesday or at least Wednesday morning) * Times: Doors will open from 8:30am. Meeting can run from 9:00am - 6:30pm as required. ==== Meeting Minutes ==== **Monday, 9 February:** * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0185.html|Part I]], CSS 2.1 Issues, Font Loading API * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0186.html|Part II]], Selectors, Text Level 4 * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0187.html|Part III]], Sizing, Text * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0188.html|Part IV]], Writing Modes, Multi-line/Block Ellipsis **Tuesday, 10 February:** * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0313.html|Part I]], Rounded Displays * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0314.html|Part II]], CSS UI * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0315.html|Part III]], CSS Inline * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0316.html|Part IV]], Page Floats, @extend * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0317.html|Part V]], , Flexbox, Form Control Styling, CSS Snapshot, CSS2.1, Obsoleting CSS3-Linebox * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0318.html|Part VI]], New Publication Process, Upcoming Meeting Dates and Locations, CSS Ruby **Wednesday, 11 February:** * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0369.html|Part I]], CSS3-UI box-sizing, Interaction between Overflow, Positioning and Filters * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0370.html|Part II]], Filter Effects, CSS Blending, Colored Font Palette Control, text-rendering * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0371.html|Part III]], Transitions, CSS Transforms, Web Animations * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0372.html|Part IV]], ID-less Referencing, Referencing Properties, Text in a Shape, Flexbox, ::selection ==== Place ==== Google Sydney: Level 5, 48 Pirrama Road, Pyrmont (WP6) and Level 2, 1 Darling Island Road, Pyrmont (ODI). The two buildings are directly across the park from each other. [[https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zJ65I1F7fhHg.kXMVcT5RKNhU|This map]] might help. **Meeting Room**: * Monday and Wednesday: Barangaroo, on Level 4 of WP6. * Tuesday: Cylon, on Level 2 of ODI. **note change of building for Tuesday**. **Instructions for arrival**: Please come directly up to level 4. A security guard will let you in and I will have a badge for you. If you arrive after 9:30am, please either: * call Shane Stephens on +61 405 491 744; or * log on to the free Google Guest wifi (which should be accessible from the ground floor) and ping someone on #css. **Parking**: If you think you'd like to drive to the meeting, please let Shane know and he will try and book parking for you at Google. **Parking is limited**. There are also parking stations nearby, particularly [[http://www.wilsonparking.com.au/go/wilson-car-parks/nsw/harbourside|Harbourside]]. **Weather** ==== Contacts ==== ==== Participants ==== Please, put your name in this table if you plan to participate (alphabetical order): ^ Name ^ Arrival ^ Departure ^ Hotel ^ Flight info and notes ^ | Tab Atkins | ??? | ??? | airbnb | ??? | | L. David Baron | 5 Feb | 14 Feb | Travelodge Hotel Sydney | ANZ 7/101, ANZ 104 | | Rick Byers | 3 Feb | 12 Feb | Novotel | UA 863, UA 870 | | Tantek Çelik | 8 Feb | 12 Feb | airbnb | UA 863, UA 870 | | Dave Cramer | 7 Feb | 12 Feb | airbnb | QF 8 / QF 7, also Project Houdini | | fantasai | 8 Feb| 15 Feb | airbnb | NZ9791+NZ5+NZ103 / NZ102+NZ14+NZ9005 | | Daniel Glazman | 4 Feb | 12 Feb | 1888 | KE121 / QF021, also Project Houdini | | Dean Jackson | ??? | ??? | ??? | Probably via land not air | | Toru Kawakubo | 7 Feb | 12 Feb | Ibis Sydney Darling Harbor | QF 22 / QF 21 | | Ian Kilpatrick | - | - | - | - | | Chris Lilley | 6 Feb | 15 Feb | Y Hyde Park | BA 345/CX 254/CX 111, CX 100/CX 237/BA 346 | | Peter Linss | 5 Feb | 15 Feb | Novotel Sydney Darling Harbor | UA 863 / UA 870 | | Shinyu Murakami | 7 Feb | 12 Feb | Ibis Sydney Darling Harbor | QF 22 / QF 21 | | Robert O'Callahan | ? | ? | ? | Observer from Mozilla (Houdini, CSS, SVG) | | Xidorn Quan | ??? | ??? | ??? | Observer from Mozilla | | Florian Rivoal | 8 Feb | 12 Feb | airbnb | AY0656+AY5811+KE704+KE121, KE122+KE721 | | Simon Sapin | 3 Feb | 16 Feb | Novotel Sydney Darling Harbor | EK 414 / EK 415 | | Alan Stearns | 6 Feb | 16 Feb | ??? | DL 17 / DL 16 | | Shane Stephens | - | - | - | - | | Simon Pieters | 8 Feb | 10 Feb | ibis Sydney Darling Harbour | QF 8414 / QF 8413 | | Jet Villegas | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | | Ian Vollick | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | | Greg Whitworth | 6 Feb | 15 Feb | ??? | DL | | Cameron McCormack | ??? | ??? | ??? | Observer from Mozilla | | Rossen Atanassov | 6 Feb | 19 Feb | airbnb | DL | | Andrey Rybka | 6 Feb | 15 Feb | Novotel Sydney Darling Harbour | UA | | Johannes Wilm | 7 Feb | 12 Feb | Sydney Darling Harbour Hotel | KL 1132/KL 0809/KL 4079, KL 4104/KL 0810/KL 1125 | | Steve Zilles | 6 Feb | 11 Feb | Meriton Serviced Apartments Kent Street | VA 992, JL0772 | | Hyojin Song | 8 Feb | 12 Feb | Novotel Rockford Darling Harbour | KE121 / KE122 (LG Electronics) | = === Visa Requirements ==== A visa is required for US Citizens to enter Australia (citizens of other countries please check with the appropriate authorities), a visa may be obtained electronically from the [[http://www.eta.immi.gov.au/|Electronic Travel Authority web site]]. ==== Travel to/from airport ==== A taxi from the airport to the meeting venue or any of the listed hotels will cost between $30 and $50, depending on traffic. There's generally only a short wait to get a taxi, and a fairly orderly queue. This is probably the most convenient, and also the cheapest if you share with others... If staying in Chinatown, the [[http://www.airportlink.com.au/directions/sydney-city.php|airport train line]] is reasonably convenient. A one-way ticket is $16.40. If you're staying in Pyrmont, you can still take the train, then jump on the [[http://www.sydneylightrail.transport.nsw.gov.au/|light rail]] from 'Central' to 'the Star'. You'll need to pay $4.60 (in cash) after boarding the train. Some hotels offer complimentary bus transfers to/from the airport - check with your hotel when booking. ==== Hotels ==== Please note that I don't have any direct experience of these hotels! If you've stayed in one before (looking at you, Tab), chime in and recommend. There are some close but expensive hotels: * [[http://www.1888hotel.com.au/|1888]] has a reputation as being a great boutique hotel. Rooms seem to be ~$240 per night for stays of 2 nights or more. * [[http://www.novoteldarlingharbour.com.au/|Novotel]] is a reasonable international hotel. Rooms are ~$280 per night. * [[http://www.ibis.com/gb/hotel-1757-ibis-sydney-darling-harbour/index.shtml|Ibis]] is also close by. There are also a number of decent cheaper hotels in China town. These are further away (~20 minute walk from the office) - note that there is a light rail line from this area to the office. Services depart every 10 minutes during peak and a return ticket (which can be purchased on the train) is $6.40. * [[http://www.metrohotels.com.au/hotels/new-south-wales/aspire-hotel-sydney/welcome/|Aspire]] is about $130 a night. * [[http://www.metrohotels.com.au/hotels/new-south-wales/metro-hotel-sydney-central/welcome/|Metro hotel]] is around $160 (more on the weekends). * [[http://www.rydges.com/accommodation/sydney-nsw/capitol-square-sydney/welcome/|Capitol Square Rydges]] is also about $160. I had a reasonable amount of success looking for cheaper rates (in many cases at these same hotels) on booking.com. ==== Airbnb ==== * Tab [[https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/5023154?euid=a959e31e-64af-6dd8-7d21-ae0323570d39|just booked one]], It can host 6 people, and 6 people have expressed interest. * Tab Atkins: Feb 4 to 13 (I'm here longer than all of y'all) * Tantek Çelik Feb 8 to 12 (departing that day) * Rossen Atanassov: Feb 6 to 12 * Dave Cramer: Feb 7 to 12 * Florian Rivoal: Feb 8 to 12 * Fantasai ==== Other ==== === Network === The GoogleGuest network will be available throughout the building. No password is required. === Money === Its plastic. No, not that sort of plastic. Being able to swim and paper money are fundamentally incompatible. Side note: **do not iron the money** More seriously, it's the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_dollar|Australian dollar (AUD)]]. See [[http://www.oanda.com/currency/table?exch=AUD&sel_list=USD_EUR_GBP_JPY_NOK_SEK_NZD_CNY_TWD_KRW&value=1&format=HTML&redirected=1|exchange rates]]. You should be able to use your credit card pretty much everywhere (especially Mastercard and Visa). Diners Club cards tend to attract a fee or not be accepted. Checks are not generally accepted. === Electricity === 230V, 50Hz, 10A [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112|flat, angled awesome pins]] {{https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Australian_dual_switched_power_point.jpg}} Notice the small switch on the side. Unless you flip it on, don't expect the power socket to do much for you. Via the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUZhoYJI3M|magic of pliers]], Australian and US power plugs are somewhat interoperable (I don't recommend you actually do this). === Tourism === Far too many tourists, especially in winter^H^H^H^H^H^Hsummer ==== Food ==== We have both kinds: pies and .. actually, just [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_pie_%28Australia_and_New_Zealand%29 |pies]]. ==== IRC Logs ==== * also see [[https://wiki.css-houdini.org/planning/sydney-2015#irc-logs|Houdini wiki]] for Saturday and Sunday * [[http://www.w3.org/2015/02/08-css-irc|Monday and Tuesday (#css)]] ([[http://www.w3.org/2015/02/08-css-irc.txt|txt]]) * [[http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-fx-irc|Wednesday (#fx)]] ([[http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-fx-irc.txt|txt]]) ==== Agenda ==== === Mon === == AM == * 2.1 Issues * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2015Jan/0016.html|2.1 errata and test updates to match charset changes in level 3]] (dbaron) * margin collapsing question (dbaron) * Font Loading API (heycam) * Use of tasks, open issues * :for() selector (Florian) : https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0064.html * Prev-sibling and parent combinators - allow :has() with some combinators in fast profile? * ::marker * Text level 4 * text-wrap: balance * Flex break controls == PM == * css-sizing: interaction of floats and percentage-sized stuff and shrink-to-fit sizing; preferred width vs. max-content width * CSS Text (Koji would like to call in) * break opportunities around replaced elements ([[spec:css3-text:line-break-around-replaced-elements|summary on the wiki]]) * Coordinated release of visible control characters. * CSS Writing Modes (Koji would like to call in) * text-orientation: sideways and sideways-left ([[spec:css3-writing-modes:sideways-left|summary on the wiki]]) * Propagation from body (was this resolved? [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jan/0272.html|www-style thread]]) * Removing the SVG 1.1 keywords * multi-line / block ellipsis (Florian) * https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jan/0357.html * discuss the approach * get feedback on the details === Tue === == AM == * CSS extensions to support rounded display (Soonbo Han) * https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/SessionIdeas#CSS_Extensions_to_support_a_round_display * http://www.w3.org/2014/10/29-rounddisplay-minutes.html * http://www.w3.org/wiki/images/8/84/141029_W3C_TPAC_Breakout_Session_Round_Display.pdf * CSS3-UI (tantek, florian) * Discuss proposals for remaining issues: https://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css3-ui#current-issues * Determine steps necessary to exit CR * CSS Inline (Dave C.) * goals for rewrite of line layout * CJK and Indic initial letters * The myth of the hanging baseline == PM == * Page Floats * @extend * Custom ident * Flexbox * Form control styling: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-forms/ * Update Snapshot * CSS 2.2 FPWD * Obsolete http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-linebox/ * W3C new publication system Echidna (public beta Mon 8 Feb) * upcoming meeting dates and locations * css-ruby: vertical aspects of ruby layout and line spacing rules (dbaron) * css-ruby: loop between computed values of display and writing-mode (related to ruby-position) (dbaron) === Wed === == AM == * CSS3-UI * Box Sizing * Interaction between overflow, positioning and filters (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015JanMar/0002.html) (added by smfr, hopefully roc can talk about it) * Filter Effects LCCR (Dirk) * CSS Blending PR (Dirk) * Colored font palette control (heycam) * text-rendering (roc) == Lunch == * Gelato == PM == * Canceling and interrupting transitions (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0150.html) * taking css-transitions to LCCR (dbaron) * css-transforms: Specifying decomposition of scale (https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Proposals/Specifying_decomposition_of_scale) (takagi) * web-animations: status update, events & promises, API bikeshedding, end behavior of animations, translate/rotate/scale (bbirtles, shanestephens, tabatkins) * ID-less referencing (bbirtles) * How do we handle properties/property values that CSS has agreed to but are not yet in finalized specifications? (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Feb/0157.html) (Tav) * Text in a shape, review. (Tav) * Baselines (heycam) * http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-pseudo/#highlight-pseudos === Overflow === * Media Queries (florian) * speech & linear-speech media features (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0041.html) * Tab order on display tree switch ==== Proposed Agenda Topics ==== * upcoming meeting dates and locations * CSS 2.2 FPWD * css-sizing: interaction of floats and percentage-sized stuff and shrink-to-fit sizing; preferred width vs. max-content width * css-ruby: vertical aspects of ruby layout and line spacing rules (dbaron) * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2015Jan/0016.html|2.1 errata and test updates to match charset changes in level 3]] (dbaron) * CSS3-UI (tantek, florian) * Determine steps necessary to exit CR * Discuss proposals for remaining issues: https://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css3-ui#current-issues * Media Queries (florian) * speech & linear-speech media features (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0041.html) * multi-line / block ellipsis (Florian) * https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jan/0357.html * discuss the approach * get feedback on the details * CSS Inline (Dave C.) * goals for rewrite of line layout * CJK and Indic initial letters * The myth of the hanging baseline * Tab order on display tree switch * Canceling and interrupting transitions (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0150.html) * taking css-transitions to LCCR (dbaron) * Update Snapshot * Flex break controls * text-wrap: balance * Form control styling: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-forms/ * @extend * Interaction between overflow, positioning and filters (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015JanMar/0002.html) (added by smfr, hopefully roc can talk about it) * CSS extensions to support rounded display (Soonbo Han) * https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/SessionIdeas#CSS_Extensions_to_support_a_round_display * http://www.w3.org/2014/10/29-rounddisplay-minutes.html * http://www.w3.org/wiki/images/8/84/141029_W3C_TPAC_Breakout_Session_Round_Display.pdf * CSS Text (Koji would like to call in) * Coordinated release of visible control characters. * break opportunities around replaced elements ([[spec:css3-text:line-break-around-replaced-elements|summary on the wiki]]) * CSS Writing Modes (Koji would like to call in) * text-orientation: sideways and sideways-left ([[spec:css3-writing-modes:sideways-left|summary on the wiki]]) * Propagation from body (was this resolved? [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jan/0272.html|www-style thread]]) * Removing the SVG 1.1 keywords * W3C new publication system Echidna (public beta Mon 8 Feb) * margin collapsing question (dbaron) * :for() selector (Florian) : https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0064.html * Prev-sibling and parent combinators - allow :has() with some combinators in fast profile? * Font Loading API (heycam) * Use of tasks, open issues