====== Paris F2F August 2015 ====== * Host: Mozilla * Dinner 7pm, Le Zinc des Cavistes * Dates: Tuesday-Thursday, August 25-27, 2015 * Nearby events: * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-editing-tf/2015Jun/0023.html|Editing TF meeting]] (Sunday-Monday 23-24) * [[https://wiki.css-houdini.org/planning/paris-2015|Houdini meeting]] (Friday-Saturday 28-29) ==== Meeting Minutes ==== == Tuesday, 25 August == *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0037.html|Part I]]: CSS Cascade, CSS Fragmentation, CSS Animations, CSS Text, TPAC Japanese Industry Meet-up, Number of F2F Meetings Per Year *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0038.html|Part II]]: Flexbox, Grid/Flex Percentages, Testing *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0040.html|Part III]]: CSS UI 4, CSS Text 4, User Stylesheets *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0041.html|Part IV]]: Snapshot 2015 and Prefix Policy, @apply rule == Wednesday, 26 August == *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0093.html|Part I]]: Round Display, Grid Layout *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0094.html|Part II]]: Animations, Scroll Snapping *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0095.html|Part III]]: Defining Pagination, CSS Priorities from DigiPub *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0095.html|Part IV]]: CSS Inline == Thursday, 27 August == *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0109.html|Part I]]: FXTF Meeting Part 1- SVG Resources, SVG Images Without Intrinsic Size, Matrix Interpolation Revisited, SLERPing and 0deg angles *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0110.html|Part II]]: FXTF Meeting Part 2- glyph-orientation, writing-mode Values from SVG 1.1, getTransformToElement, Path Animation, Zoom Features for Media Queries *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0111.html|Part III]]: Selectors *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0112.html|Part IV]]: will-change, Scroll Snap, Input Modality *[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0113.html|Part V]]: Page Floats, Writing Modes, Snapshot 2015, Flexbox % Follow-Up ==== Location ==== [[https://wiki.mozilla.org/Paris|Mozilla Paris]], 16bis Boulevard Montmartre, 75009 Paris, France See [[https://wiki.mozilla.org/Paris|Mozilla Paris wiki]] for important directions on finding and entering the space === Transport Notes === Some notes about transport in Paris around this week. There are some lines shut down for maintenance. In particular, I've seen signage that: * RER line A (the middle east-west RER line through the center) [[http://travaux-ete-rera.ratp.fr/fr/|is closed]] between La Defense and Auber exclusive (i.e., the western half of its run through the center of Paris) from July 25 through August 23, inclusive * RER line C (the southern east-west RER line through the center) [[https://vianavigo.com/fr/actualites-trafic/detail-actualite-vianavigo-vos-transports-en-commun-en-ile-de-france-optile-ratp-sncf/article/rer-c-travaux-castor-du-15-juillet-au-22-aout-7/|is closed]] between Avenue Henri Martin/Javel and Gare d'Austerlitz (exclusive), July 15 through August 22 * Metro line 4 (a north-south metro line through Paris) [[http://www.ratp.fr/fr/ratp/v_133187/metro-ligne-4-interruption-partielle-de-trafic-du-27-au-30-aout-2015/|is closed]] north of Reaumur-Sebastopol (exclusive) from 27-30 August (inclusive). This includes its stops at Gare du Nord and Gare de l'Est, although other metro lines (including the 5) will still stop there although I haven't found a central listing of all of the maintenance closures, although https://vianavigo.com/fr/actualites-trafic/ is close. http://www.ratp.fr/informer/trafic/travaux_ratp.php lists all maintenance works on RER, Metro, and Tram lines. ==== Participants ==== ^ Name ^ Arrival ^ Departure ^ Hotel ^ Flight info and notes ^ | Alan Stearns | 21 Aug | 30 Aug | Apt | ?? | | Andrey Rybka | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | | Bert | 24 Aug | 29 Aug | Vivienne | train (Gare de Lyon) A: 21:41 / D: 18:19 | | Brian Birtles | ?? | ?? | ?? | observer from Mozilla (and SVG WG) | | Cameron McCormack | ?? | ?? | ?? | observer from Mozilla (and SVG WG) | | Chris Lilley | 22 Aug | 30 Aug | Hôtel Eugène en Ville | AF6207/ AF6248 | | Dael Jackson | 23 Aug | 30 Aug | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]] | AA754 / AA755 | | Dave Cramer | 24 Aug | 30 Aug | Hotel Peletier-Haussmann | UA 987 / UA 986 | | Dean Jackson | ?? | ?? | ?? | ??, attending last day of CSS WG and both Houdini days | | Dirk Schulze | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | | Edward O'Connor | 22 Aug | 29 Aug | Hôtel Edouard 7 | UA0990 / UA0991, attending CSS WG but not Houdini | | Elliott Sprehn | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | | fantasai | 23 Aug | 28 Aug | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]]| BA / Icelandair | | Florian Rivoal | 22 Aug | 30 Aug | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]] | ?? | | Greg Whitworth | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | | Hiroshi Sakakibara | 23 Aug | ?? | Hotel Peletier-Haussmann | ?? | | Hyojin Song | 24 Aug | 29 Aug | Hyatt Regency Paris Etoile | OZ 501 / OZ 502 | | Ian Kilpatrick | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | | Jet Villegas |2015-08-22|2015-08-29| apartment | UA0990 / UA0991 | | Jihye Hong | 24 Aug | 29 Aug | Hyatt Regency Paris Etoile | OZ 501 / OZ 502 | | Johannes Wilm | 22 Aug | 29 Aug | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]] | ?? | | L. David Baron | 15 Aug | 30 Aug | Apartment | AF351 / AF80 | | Lea Verou | 21/8 | 30/8 | Hôtel Eugène en Ville | AF1441 | | Liam Quin | 25 Aug | 30 Aug | best Western Opera Roncay | AC 880 / CDG | | Matt Rakow | ?? | ?? | ??| ?? | | Ojan Vafai | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | | Peter Linss | 23 Aug | 31 Aug | Best Western | UA 990 / UA 914 | | Rachel Andrew | 24 Aug | 30 Aug | Apartment | [observer] BA 314 / Train| | Rossen Atanassov | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | | Sam Weinig | ?? | ?? | ?? | ??, attending/observing first day | | Shane Stephens | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | | Simon Fraser | ?? | ?? | ?? | ??, attending last day of CSS WG and both Houdini days | | Simon Pieters | August 24 | August 30 | Vivienne | AF1263 / AF1262 (CDG) | | Simon Sapin | | | home | | | Steve Zilles | August 24 | August 31 | apartment | Thai Air 930 | | Tab Atkins | ?? | ?? | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]] | US786 arriving CDG Aug 23 8:25, AA755 departing CDG Aug 30 13:20 | | Tantek Çelik |2015-08-22|2015-08-29| apartment | UA0990 / UA0991 | (alphabetical by first name, plzkthx) **Regrets** Anton Prowse, John Daggett ===== Agenda ===== ==== Tuesday ==== === AM === * css cascade to informal LC? * css fragmentation * naming issues * go to CR ? * Control Characters Status Update from all UAs https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text/#white-space-processing - greg * Japanese Industry meet-up * FlexBox * remaining issues * CR? * Percentage heights in grid and flex containers * Absolute positioning in grid and flex containers * max-content for flex items https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0429.html * Tests invalidated by future levels === PM === * CSS UI * Feedback from Tab * note about user-select:none and editing * caret-animation / caret-blink-time * appearance property * renaming user-select: text ? * cursor behavior when elements overlap is ambiguous https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0010.html * text-overflow: fade * FPWD for CSS-UI-4? * css-text-4 * pre-wrap-* and longhands of white-space https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0099.html * User stylesheets (Chris) * Snapshot 2015 and Prefix Policy * First draft of [[https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-apply-rule/|@apply rule]] (simple mixins, powered by Custom Properties) ==== Wednesday ==== === AM === * CSS Round Display - demo, issues, FPWD? (early AM Wednesday) * Grid Layout - Issues * Animations 2 * snap points & oversized elements - tab === PM === * Getting to pagination https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0179.html (dauwhe) * [[http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dpub-css-priorities-20150820/|“Priorities for CSS from the DPub IG”]] (Bert): I propose we try to say for each requirement (jdaggett dialin) - Is it in scope for CSS (and if not, where might it be solved)? - If in scope, what might a solution look like, roughly? * CSS Inline - Review edits, Review vertical alignment section, republish? (jdaggett dialin) === optional run === * "running is not just for programs" - run to the Eiffel tower and back after the meeting, before the dinner! ==== Thursday ==== === AM === [[https://wiki.csswg.org/planning/paris-2015#proposed-agenda-topics-fx|FXTF]] * selectors * [[https://drafts.csswg.org/selectors-4/#issues-index|selectors 4 issues]] === PM === * will-change (on Thurs please) - smfr * Scroll snap followup * Input Modality (http://radar.oreilly.com/2015/08/proposing-css-input-modailty.html) - tab, bkardell (Thursday please) * CSS Page Floats (on Thursday, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0410.html , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0167.html , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0334.html ): * Do we need two dimensional page floats (up and right)? * Do we need/want page floats in non-fragmenting contexts? * Do we need to be able to control the placement order of page floats within a fragmentainer? * Writing Modes - DoC and re-CR (jdaggett dialin) * Make sure Mozilla is OK with keyframe interaction decision * CSS Snapshot 2015 * Flexbox % followup * fill-available sizing * r12a would like us to [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0120.html|switch to GitHub]] for all spec discussions ==== TBD ==== * CSS IG ==== Proposed Agenda Topics ==== * r12a would like us to [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0120.html|switch to GitHub]] for all spec discussions * Snapshot 2015 and Prefix Policy * Writing Modes - DoC and re-CR (jdaggett dialin) * CSS Inline - Review edits, Review vertical alignment section, republish? (jdaggett dialin) * Grid Layout - Issues * User stylesheets (Chris) * CSS IG * css cascade to informal LC? * css fragmentation * naming issues * go to CR ? * Percentage heights in grid and flex containers * Absolute positioning in grid and flex containers * Make sure Mozilla is OK with keyframe interaction decision * Ruby? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0091.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0165.html * max-content for flex items https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0429.html * fill-available sizing * FlexBox * remaining issues * CR? * CSS Round Display - demo, issues, FPWD? (early AM Wednesday) * will-change (on Thurs please) - smfr * CSS Page Floats (on Thursday, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0410.html , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0167.html , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0334.html ): * Do we need to say more about non-overlapping than that the margin boxes of given elements are not overlapping? * Do we need two dimensional page floats (up and right)? * Do we need/want page floats in non-fragmenting contexts? * Do we need to be able to control the placement order of page floats within a fragmentainer? * CSS UI * Feedback from Tab * note about user-select:none and editing * caret-animation / caret-blink-time * appearance property * renaming user-select: text ? * cursor behavior when elements overlap is ambiguous https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0010.html * text-overflow: fade * FPWD for CSS-UI-4? * Control Characters Status Update from all UAs https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text/#white-space-processing - greg * Input Modality (http://radar.oreilly.com/2015/08/proposing-css-input-modailty.html) - tab, bkardell (Thursday please) * snap points & oversized elements - tab * [[http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dpub-css-priorities-20150820/|“Priorities for CSS from the DPub IG”]] (Bert): I propose we try to say for each requirement (jdaggett dialin) - Is it in scope for CSS (and if not, where might it be solved)? - If in scope, what might a solution look like, roughly? * Japanese Industry meet-up * css-text-4 * pre-wrap-* and longhands of white-space https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0099.html * Getting to pagination https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0179.html (dauwhe) * First draft of [[https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-apply-rule/|@apply rule]] (simple mixins, powered by Custom Properties) === Miscellaneous === * plinss and fantasai should update hg.csswg.org/index.html ==== Proposed Agenda Topics [fx] ==== * SVG images without intrinsic size in CSS border-image (added by dino) * SVG-as-image and loading external resources (added by smfr) * Matrix Interpolation revisited (added by shans) * SLERPing and 0deg angles (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015JulSep/0046.html) (added by shans) * Zoom Features for Media Queries (FX) (added by konno) * Old writing-mode values (FX) (added by heycam) * Dropping text-orientation:use-glyph-orientation (FX) (added by heycam) * getTransformToElement, for geometry utils level 2? (FX) (added by heycam) * path d property, wrapping in a path() function? (FX) (added by krit)