====== Paris F2F August 2015 ======
* Host: Mozilla
* Dinner 7pm, Le Zinc des Cavistes
* Dates: Tuesday-Thursday, August 25-27, 2015
* Nearby events:
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-editing-tf/2015Jun/0023.html|Editing TF meeting]] (Sunday-Monday 23-24)
* [[https://wiki.css-houdini.org/planning/paris-2015|Houdini meeting]] (Friday-Saturday 28-29)
==== Meeting Minutes ====
== Tuesday, 25 August ==
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0037.html|Part I]]: CSS Cascade, CSS Fragmentation, CSS Animations, CSS Text, TPAC Japanese Industry Meet-up, Number of F2F Meetings Per Year
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0038.html|Part II]]: Flexbox, Grid/Flex Percentages, Testing
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0040.html|Part III]]: CSS UI 4, CSS Text 4, User Stylesheets
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0041.html|Part IV]]: Snapshot 2015 and Prefix Policy, @apply rule
== Wednesday, 26 August ==
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0093.html|Part I]]: Round Display, Grid Layout
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0094.html|Part II]]: Animations, Scroll Snapping
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0095.html|Part III]]: Defining Pagination, CSS Priorities from DigiPub
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0095.html|Part IV]]: CSS Inline
== Thursday, 27 August ==
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0109.html|Part I]]: FXTF Meeting Part 1- SVG Resources, SVG Images Without Intrinsic Size, Matrix Interpolation Revisited, SLERPing and 0deg angles
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0110.html|Part II]]: FXTF Meeting Part 2- glyph-orientation, writing-mode Values from SVG 1.1, getTransformToElement, Path Animation, Zoom Features for Media Queries
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0111.html|Part III]]: Selectors
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0112.html|Part IV]]: will-change, Scroll Snap, Input Modality
*[[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Sep/0113.html|Part V]]: Page Floats, Writing Modes, Snapshot 2015, Flexbox % Follow-Up
==== Location ====
[[https://wiki.mozilla.org/Paris|Mozilla Paris]], 16bis Boulevard Montmartre, 75009 Paris, France
See [[https://wiki.mozilla.org/Paris|Mozilla Paris wiki]] for important directions on finding and entering the space
=== Transport Notes ===
Some notes about transport in Paris around this week. There are some lines shut down for maintenance. In particular, I've seen signage that:
* RER line A (the middle east-west RER line through the center) [[http://travaux-ete-rera.ratp.fr/fr/|is closed]] between La Defense and Auber exclusive (i.e., the western half of its run through the center of Paris) from July 25 through August 23, inclusive
* RER line C (the southern east-west RER line through the center) [[https://vianavigo.com/fr/actualites-trafic/detail-actualite-vianavigo-vos-transports-en-commun-en-ile-de-france-optile-ratp-sncf/article/rer-c-travaux-castor-du-15-juillet-au-22-aout-7/|is closed]] between Avenue Henri Martin/Javel and Gare d'Austerlitz (exclusive), July 15 through August 22
* Metro line 4 (a north-south metro line through Paris) [[http://www.ratp.fr/fr/ratp/v_133187/metro-ligne-4-interruption-partielle-de-trafic-du-27-au-30-aout-2015/|is closed]] north of Reaumur-Sebastopol (exclusive) from 27-30 August (inclusive). This includes its stops at Gare du Nord and Gare de l'Est, although other metro lines (including the 5) will still stop there
although I haven't found a central listing of all of the maintenance closures, although https://vianavigo.com/fr/actualites-trafic/ is close.
http://www.ratp.fr/informer/trafic/travaux_ratp.php lists all maintenance works on RER, Metro, and Tram lines.
==== Participants ====
^ Name ^ Arrival ^ Departure ^ Hotel ^ Flight info and notes ^
| Alan Stearns | 21 Aug | 30 Aug | Apt | ?? |
| Andrey Rybka | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| Bert | 24 Aug | 29 Aug | Vivienne | train (Gare de Lyon) A: 21:41 / D: 18:19 |
| Brian Birtles | ?? | ?? | ?? | observer from Mozilla (and SVG WG) |
| Cameron McCormack | ?? | ?? | ?? | observer from Mozilla (and SVG WG) |
| Chris Lilley | 22 Aug | 30 Aug | Hôtel Eugène en Ville | AF6207/ AF6248 |
| Dael Jackson | 23 Aug | 30 Aug | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]] | AA754 / AA755 |
| Dave Cramer | 24 Aug | 30 Aug | Hotel Peletier-Haussmann | UA 987 / UA 986 |
| Dean Jackson | ?? | ?? | ?? | ??, attending last day of CSS WG and both Houdini days |
| Dirk Schulze | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| Edward O'Connor | 22 Aug | 29 Aug | Hôtel Edouard 7 | UA0990 / UA0991, attending CSS WG but not Houdini |
| Elliott Sprehn | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| fantasai | 23 Aug | 28 Aug | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]]| BA / Icelandair |
| Florian Rivoal | 22 Aug | 30 Aug | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]] | ?? |
| Greg Whitworth | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| Hiroshi Sakakibara | 23 Aug | ?? | Hotel Peletier-Haussmann | ?? |
| Hyojin Song | 24 Aug | 29 Aug | Hyatt Regency Paris Etoile | OZ 501 / OZ 502 |
| Ian Kilpatrick | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| Jet Villegas |2015-08-22|2015-08-29| apartment | UA0990 / UA0991 |
| Jihye Hong | 24 Aug | 29 Aug | Hyatt Regency Paris Etoile | OZ 501 / OZ 502 |
| Johannes Wilm | 22 Aug | 29 Aug | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]] | ?? |
| L. David Baron | 15 Aug | 30 Aug | Apartment | AF351 / AF80 |
| Lea Verou | 21/8 | 30/8 | Hôtel Eugène en Ville | AF1441 |
| Liam Quin | 25 Aug | 30 Aug | best Western Opera Roncay | AC 880 / CDG |
| Matt Rakow | ?? | ?? | ??| ?? |
| Ojan Vafai | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| Peter Linss | 23 Aug | 31 Aug | Best Western | UA 990 / UA 914 |
| Rachel Andrew | 24 Aug | 30 Aug | Apartment | [observer] BA 314 / Train|
| Rossen Atanassov | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| Sam Weinig | ?? | ?? | ?? | ??, attending/observing first day |
| Shane Stephens | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| Simon Fraser | ?? | ?? | ?? | ??, attending last day of CSS WG and both Houdini days |
| Simon Pieters | August 24 | August 30 | Vivienne | AF1263 / AF1262 (CDG) |
| Simon Sapin | | | home | |
| Steve Zilles | August 24 | August 31 | apartment | Thai Air 930 |
| Tab Atkins | ?? | ?? | [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0072.html|apt share]] | US786 arriving CDG Aug 23 8:25, AA755 departing CDG Aug 30 13:20 |
| Tantek Çelik |2015-08-22|2015-08-29| apartment | UA0990 / UA0991 |
(alphabetical by first name, plzkthx)
**Regrets**
Anton Prowse, John Daggett
===== Agenda =====
==== Tuesday ====
=== AM ===
* css cascade to informal LC?
* css fragmentation
* naming issues
* go to CR ?
* Control Characters Status Update from all UAs https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text/#white-space-processing - greg
* Japanese Industry meet-up
* FlexBox
* remaining issues
* CR?
* Percentage heights in grid and flex containers
* Absolute positioning in grid and flex containers
* max-content for flex items https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0429.html
* Tests invalidated by future levels
=== PM ===
* CSS UI
* Feedback from Tab
* note about user-select:none and editing
* caret-animation / caret-blink-time
* appearance property
* renaming user-select: text ?
* cursor behavior when elements overlap is ambiguous https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0010.html
* text-overflow: fade
* FPWD for CSS-UI-4?
* css-text-4
* pre-wrap-* and longhands of white-space https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0099.html
* User stylesheets (Chris)
* Snapshot 2015 and Prefix Policy
* First draft of [[https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-apply-rule/|@apply rule]] (simple mixins, powered by Custom Properties)
==== Wednesday ====
=== AM ===
* CSS Round Display - demo, issues, FPWD? (early AM Wednesday)
* Grid Layout - Issues
* Animations 2
* snap points & oversized elements - tab
=== PM ===
* Getting to pagination https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0179.html (dauwhe)
* [[http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dpub-css-priorities-20150820/|“Priorities for CSS from the DPub IG”]] (Bert): I propose we try to say for each requirement (jdaggett dialin)
- Is it in scope for CSS (and if not, where might it be solved)?
- If in scope, what might a solution look like, roughly?
* CSS Inline - Review edits, Review vertical alignment section, republish? (jdaggett dialin)
=== optional run ===
* "running is not just for programs" - run to the Eiffel tower and back after the meeting, before the dinner!
==== Thursday ====
=== AM ===
[[https://wiki.csswg.org/planning/paris-2015#proposed-agenda-topics-fx|FXTF]]
* selectors
* [[https://drafts.csswg.org/selectors-4/#issues-index|selectors 4 issues]]
=== PM ===
* will-change (on Thurs please) - smfr
* Scroll snap followup
* Input Modality (http://radar.oreilly.com/2015/08/proposing-css-input-modailty.html) - tab, bkardell (Thursday please)
* CSS Page Floats (on Thursday, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0410.html , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0167.html , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0334.html ):
* Do we need two dimensional page floats (up and right)?
* Do we need/want page floats in non-fragmenting contexts?
* Do we need to be able to control the placement order of page floats within a fragmentainer?
* Writing Modes - DoC and re-CR (jdaggett dialin)
* Make sure Mozilla is OK with keyframe interaction decision
* CSS Snapshot 2015
* Flexbox % followup
* fill-available sizing
* r12a would like us to [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0120.html|switch to GitHub]] for all spec discussions
==== TBD ====
* CSS IG
==== Proposed Agenda Topics ====
* r12a would like us to [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2015JulSep/0120.html|switch to GitHub]] for all spec discussions
* Snapshot 2015 and Prefix Policy
* Writing Modes - DoC and re-CR (jdaggett dialin)
* CSS Inline - Review edits, Review vertical alignment section, republish? (jdaggett dialin)
* Grid Layout - Issues
* User stylesheets (Chris)
* CSS IG
* css cascade to informal LC?
* css fragmentation
* naming issues
* go to CR ?
* Percentage heights in grid and flex containers
* Absolute positioning in grid and flex containers
* Make sure Mozilla is OK with keyframe interaction decision
* Ruby? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0091.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0165.html
* max-content for flex items https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0429.html
* fill-available sizing
* FlexBox
* remaining issues
* CR?
* CSS Round Display - demo, issues, FPWD? (early AM Wednesday)
* will-change (on Thurs please) - smfr
* CSS Page Floats (on Thursday, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0410.html , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0167.html , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0334.html ):
* Do we need to say more about non-overlapping than that the margin boxes of given elements are not overlapping?
* Do we need two dimensional page floats (up and right)?
* Do we need/want page floats in non-fragmenting contexts?
* Do we need to be able to control the placement order of page floats within a fragmentainer?
* CSS UI
* Feedback from Tab
* note about user-select:none and editing
* caret-animation / caret-blink-time
* appearance property
* renaming user-select: text ?
* cursor behavior when elements overlap is ambiguous https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0010.html
* text-overflow: fade
* FPWD for CSS-UI-4?
* Control Characters Status Update from all UAs https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text/#white-space-processing - greg
* Input Modality (http://radar.oreilly.com/2015/08/proposing-css-input-modailty.html) - tab, bkardell (Thursday please)
* snap points & oversized elements - tab
* [[http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dpub-css-priorities-20150820/|“Priorities for CSS from the DPub IG”]] (Bert): I propose we try to say for each requirement (jdaggett dialin)
- Is it in scope for CSS (and if not, where might it be solved)?
- If in scope, what might a solution look like, roughly?
* Japanese Industry meet-up
* css-text-4
* pre-wrap-* and longhands of white-space https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0099.html
* Getting to pagination https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0179.html (dauwhe)
* First draft of [[https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-apply-rule/|@apply rule]] (simple mixins, powered by Custom Properties)
=== Miscellaneous ===
* plinss and fantasai should update hg.csswg.org/index.html
==== Proposed Agenda Topics [fx] ====
* SVG images without intrinsic size in CSS border-image (added by dino)
* SVG-as-image and loading external resources (added by smfr)
* Matrix Interpolation revisited (added by shans)
* SLERPing and 0deg angles (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015JulSep/0046.html) (added by shans)
* Zoom Features for Media Queries (FX) (added by konno)
* Old writing-mode values (FX) (added by heycam)
* Dropping text-orientation:use-glyph-orientation (FX) (added by heycam)
* getTransformToElement, for geometry utils level 2? (FX) (added by heycam)
* path d property, wrapping in a path() function? (FX) (added by krit)