====== Hamburg F2F May 2012 ====== * **When:** Wednesday 9 May – Friday 11 May * Flipboard photos from meeting: [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012May/0017.html|part1]], [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012May/0018.html|part2]] ===== Meeting Minutes ===== ** Thursday, 10 May:** * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0520.html| Part I]], Flexbox * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0527.html|Part II]], Administrative, Testing * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0530.html|Part III]], Alignment, Grid Layouts, Fonts **Friday, 11 May:** * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0531.html|Part I]], Regions and Exclusions * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0536.html|Part II]], XSLFO and CSS3 Layout * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0538.html|Part III]], GCPM and Fragmentation * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0541.html|Part IV]], Text and Writing Modes * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0542.html|Part V]], Line Layout, Values and Units ===== Agenda ===== ==== Wednesday ==== === AM === * FX task force meeting with the SVG Working Group (use [[http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/F2F/Hamburg_2012_Agenda|FX wiki]] for agenda items) === PM === * Transforms * Transitions * Animations ==== Thursday ==== === AM === * CSS3 Flexbox === PM === * Future Meetings (15 min) * Style Attribute Spec (15 min) * Testing (15 min) * Box Alignment (30 min) * Grid Template (1 hr) * Fonts (1 hr) ==== Friday ==== === AM === * XSL-FO (1 hr) * Regions (1 hr) * Exclusions (15 min) * Page Templates (30 min) * Box Generation (30 min) === PM === * GCPM (30 min) * CSS3 Fragmentation (30 min) * CSS3 Text LC (1 hr) * Writing Modes (30 min) * Line Layout (1 hr) * Values and Units (1 hr) ==== Left Overs ==== * Prefixes * FPWD CSS3 text-size-adjust * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0125.html|Changing the prefix policy?]] * Device adaptation * Media Queries level 4: discussion ideas and direction for the next level of the spec * Spec stylesheet * Use of alternate stylesheet * Changing default font * CSS3 Syntax * Tab started working on it again. Briefly discuss plans and make sure no one hates it. (20 min) * Parsing scientific notation in CSS (1 hr) ==== Proposed Topics ==== * Prefixes and how to prioritize specs with heavy -webkit- prefix adoption. * CSS3 Transforms: resolve issues - what's blocking LCWD? * CSS3 Transitions & Animations: resolve issues (at FX joint meeting) - what's blocking LCWD? * FPWD CSS3 text-size-adjust * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0125.html|Changing the prefix policy?]] * Time limit discussion to avoid ratholing? * fantasai's [[http://fantasai.inkedblade.net/style/specs/css3-align/|Box Alignment proposal]] * Box generation: should we have a module to allow CSS box generation? (15733) * CSS3 Fragmentation: 1 issue + republication * CSS3 Flexbox LC: * resolve all open issues * request for early in the F2F, so edits can be made and approved by the end of the week * estimate 2 hours, with maybe 1 hour follow-up later in the week * CSS3 Text: * prepare LC: resolve or assign actions to all open issues - < 40 min, excepting any text-transform flamewars ;) suggest for Friday * resolve @text-transform and text-transform: full-size-kana * CSS3 Values and Units CR: * resolve all LC issues - 1hr? * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0311.html|identifier and reserved keyword issue]] * CSS3 Writing Modes: * create a roadmap for getting to LC (what needs to be solved, what can be deferred) - 30min max, suggest for Friday * Maybe a bit more time to discuss on [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0082.html|allowing UA dependent behavior in text-orientation]] and on [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Apr/0688.html|text-combine-mode]] * CSS3 Grid Template: * Present a new syntax that merges templates and grid layout (15-20 minutes). * Discuss the [[http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-layout/#history|design choices]] and the features: which are in, which are out, which are for level 4... (90-100 minutes). * CSS4 Grid Template: * region-based styling, chaining regions, grid templates for paged media... * maybe be a subtopic of a larger topic about advanced layout, page templates, learning from XSL, needs of the publishing industry, etc., with help from Liam. * CSS Page Templates Proposal: [[https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15187|Issue 15187]] and [[https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15186|Issue 15186]] * Advanced printing controls from XSL-FO * GCPM: Page and column floats, alternative syntax, publish WD * CSS Regions: * Issue 16858: should elements be disallowed as regions * Issue 15832: Discussion region-overflow * Issue 16636: should we re-introduce region-order? Should be possible with the region processing model * Issue 15734: @region and specificity * CSS Exclusions Issues * Device adaptation * Media Queries level 4: discussion ideas and direction for the next level of the spec * CSS3 Fonts: * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0369.html|subscript/superscript fallback]] * [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0375.html|small-caps fallback]] * CSS Line Layout Module * Testing: * Exchanging reviews on tests * Testing hackathon in SF * Multicol test suite * CSS style attribute spec to PR (5 minutes) * Future meetings * Offer to host F2F meeting in September (Andreas Neumann, [[http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Hamburg_2012/agenda_proposals|proposal]]) * March 2013 Tokyo * Spec stylesheet * Use of alternate stylesheet * Changing default font * CSS3 Syntax * Tab started working on it again. Briefly discuss plans and make sure no one hates it. (20 min) * Parsing scientific notation in CSS (1 hr) ===== Participants ===== ^ Name ^ Representing ^ Arrive ^ Leave ^ Hotel ^ Flight Info ^ Notes ^ | Glenn Adams | Cox | May 8 | May 12 | East | UA1687/908, UA59/1002 | | | David Baron | Mozilla | May 5, 7:30am | May 12, 11:20am | Hotel am Holstenwall Novum Hamburg Mitte | CO74, LH3274 | | | Rik Cabanier | Adobe | May 5, 11:45am | May 12, 8:45am | | KLM 1779 / KLM 1778 | | | Edward O'Connor | Apple | May 6 | May 14 | 25Hours Hotel HafenCity | UA0954 UA9238 / UA9045 UA0901 | | | John Daggett | Mozilla | May 7 | May 11 | [[http://gasthafen.de/home.php|AirBnB apartment in Ottensen]] | JL407/JL408 | | | Vincent Hardy | Adobe | May 3rd| May 12th| East | ?? | | | Dirk Schulze | Adobe | May 6th| May 13th| East | ?? | | | Molly Holzschlag | W3C Invited Experts | Not able to attend | | Peter Linss | HP | May 8 | May 12 | East | UA9238 / UA75 | | | Luke Macpherson | Google | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | | | Liam Quin | W3C | May 8, 9:10am | May 12, 11:20am | City Hotel Monopol | LH 2704 / LH 3274 | | | Steve Zilles | Adobe | ??| ??| ?? | ?? | | | Florian Rivoal | Opera | May 8 | May 12 | Hanse Clipper Haus | ?? | | | Bert Bos | W3C | May 8, 14:05 | May 12, 11:35 | Motel One Hamburg-Alster | LX1056 / SN2624 | | | Daniel Glazman | Disruptive Innovations | May 8, 5pm| May 12, 9:40am | Hotel Lafayette | AF2310/1411 | | | Alan Stearns | Adobe | May 7th | May 12th | East | | | | Sylvain Galineau | Microsoft | May 8th, 9pm | May 11th, 3pm | Radisson | | | | Tab Atkins | Google | May 6th | May 13th | Clipper Elb | ? | | | fantasai | Mozilla | 1:10pm May 8th | 9:35am May 12th | Clipper Elb | LH455 / LH12 | LX1051 / LX38 | | Koji Ishii | Invited Expert | 5/8 | 5/12 | Imperial Hamburg | KL862+KL1783, KL1782+KL863 | | | Shane Stephens | Google | May 7th | May 12th | Hafen Hamburg | ?? | | | Jet Villegas | Mozilla | May 6th | May 12th | Grand Elysse Hamburg | ?? | | | Chris Lilley | W3C| | | | | remote| | Ren Ando | Rakuten/Kobo | 5/9 | 5/12 | Hotel Aachener Hof Novum | Flight Info: BA 006, BA 972, LH 3274 | Plan to fly from Hamburg to Nice to attend Advisory Committee Meeting.| | Håkon Wium Lie | Opera | Regrets: * Tantek Çelik * Anton Prowse ===== Logistics ===== **Where:** [[http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Adobe%20Systems%20Engineering%20GmbH%0D%0AGroße%20Elbstraße%2027%0D%0A22767%20Hamburg%20%28Altona%2DAltstadt%29%20%0D%0A|google map]] [[http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/careeropp/locations.html#Anchor-Hamburg-45656|Adobe Hamburg Office Description]] Adobe Systems Engineering GmbH Große Elbstraße 27 22767 Hamburg (Altona-Altstadt) Germany Tel.0049 40 306360 NOTE: There will _not_ be any issue with registration since the room is outside the restricted area. **Room**: Elbe (with Wifi access) booked from 8:30am to 8:00pm. **Registration:** TBD **Weather:** [[http://weather.yahoo.com/germany/hamburg/hamburg-656958/|Hamburg weather]] ==== Hosted Dinner ==== There will be a hosted diner on the night of the joint FX Task Force meeting at La Vela: - La Vela, italian place right downstairs from the office (Pete knows this well). This would avoid any logistical problems. . ==== Lodging ==== Ideally, the SVG WG members not attending the CSS WG meeting would stay at the Clipper Elb and the other members at the Hafen Hamburg or the East. We have blocked a number of rooms, the detailed hotel information is below. - Park Hyatt, Hamburg (reservation name Adobe) 4 single rooms from 06th May – 13th May The price per room and night is: 06th May-11th May 235€ 11thMay -13th May 320€ - Hanse Clipper Haus (reservation name Adobe group reservation) info-hch@clipper-hotels.de 10 rooms from 6th May until 11th May (5 Junior-Suites price per night 97€ and 5 Maisonette Suites price per night 107€) - Hafen Hamburg (reservation name Adobe060512) reservierung@hotel-hamburg.de 15 Single, 140 € - East (reservation name Adobe) info@east-hamburg.de 3 rooms 175 € 2 rooms size s 160 € - Clipper Elb Lodge (reservation name Adobe 33360) info@clipper-boardinghouses.de IMPORTANT NOTE: Only for May 6th to May 9th 3 superior suite suites 112 € 2 juniur suite 106 € IMPORTANT NOTE: Only for May 9th to May 11th 5 superior suites 112 € 3 junior suites tes 106 € 2 executive suites 118€ === Hanse Clipper Haus === Clipper Boardinghouse GmbH & Co. KG Ditmar-Koel-Straße 1 20459 Hamburg Tel 0049-40 37696-0 Mail: info-hch@clipper-hotels.de www.clipper-boardinghouses.de === Hyatt Hotel, 220 Euros (incl. breakfast) === Bugenhagenstr.8-­10 20095 Hamburg Tel.0049 40 3332 1234 Mail: Hamburg.park@hyatt.com http://www.hamburg.park.hyatt.de === Hafen Hamburg === Seewartenstr.9 20459 Hamburg Tel.0049 40 31 1130 Mail: info@hotel-­hamburg.de http://www.hotel-­hafen-­hamburg.de === Clipper Elb Ledge === Carsten-­Rehder-­Str.71 22767 Hamburg Tel.0049 40 80 9010 Mail: info@clipper-­boardinghouses.de http://www.clipper-­hotels.de === East === Simon-von-Utrecht Strasse 31 20359 Hamburg Tel: +49(0) 40-3099-30 Mail: info@east-hamburg.de ==== Hamburg Port Anniversary information ==== http://www.hamburg-tourism.de/en/events/port-birthday-hamburg/ ==== Transport to/from Airport ==== * Taxi recommended WARNING: There will be a detour because of the Port Anniversary (see above) so maybe the prices for the taxi drive are going a bit up! * Public transport The S-Bahn runs every 10 minutes from the airport of Hamburg to the city centre ( called: Hauptbahnhof ) in just 25 minutes. The price for a one-way-ticket is 2,85 € or you can chose an All-Day-Ticket for 6,95€ or a 3-Day-Ticket for 16,85€ per person. For more information: www.hvv.de. To go to the East-Hotel you can also use the S-Bahn but then you have to go to the station “ Reeperbahn”, it is about 10 minutes longer to run but it is the same line ( S-Bahn No.1 Direction to Wedel or Blankenese). ==== Hamburg Subway ==== * Subway: [[http://www.hvv.de/|http://www.hvv.de/]] * [[http://www.hvv.de/en/tickets/day-tickets/all-day-ticket/|Daily ticket (starting before 9 o’clock)]]: 6.95 € * [[http://www.hvv.de/en/tickets/day-tickets/9-o-clock-day-ticket/|Daily ticket (starting at 9 o’clock)]]: 5.60 € * [[http://www.hvv.de/en/tickets/day-tickets/3-day-ticket/|3-Day-Ticket]]: 16.80 €