====== Cupertino F2F July 2023 ====== * Host: Apple * Location: One Apple Park Way, Cupertino CA 95014, USA * Visitor entrance is at [[https://goo.gl/maps/cGQYeU23PkEGfnpn7|Tantau Reception Center]], 10503 North Tantau Avenue, Cupertino, CA 95014. This is adjacent to the intersection of North Tantau Avenue and Pruneridge Avenue. * Conference room is named "Space Oddity" in Section 2 * If you're driving there, the visitor parking is in an underground garage whose entrance is [[https://goo.gl/maps/371ED4eugJoaGooy5|at this point]], adjacent to the Apple Park Visitor Center, 10600 North Tantau Avenue, Cupertino, CA 95014. This is just across North Tantau Avenue from the visitor entrance. * Weather Forecast: [[http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?smap=1&lat=37.335&lon=-122.009&unit=1&mp=1|⁰C]] or [[http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?smap=1&lat=37.335&lon=-122.009&unit=0&mp=1|⁰F]], Current Weather Conditions: [[https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=463PG&unit=1|⁰C]] or [[https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=463PG|⁰F]] * Dates: Tuesday 18 July - Friday 21 July 2023 * Times: 8am-4pm (early start to accommodate Europe dial-ins) * 7:30am - reception open for visitors, breakfast available * 8am - meeting start * 9:30am-10am morning break * 12:00pm-1pm lunch break * 2:00pm-2:30pm afternoon break * 4pm - meeting end * Scheduled Extras: * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2023JulSep/0031.html|Lightning Pitches]] - 1min-5min informal pitches to ask for engagement on particular issues, concerns, or feature requests that aren't ready for formal discussion * Wednesday evening - host dinner, 6:30 PM outside on the patio at Water Tower Kitchen: 201 Orchard City Drive, Campbell, CA 95008 https://www.watertowerkitchen.com * Thursday evening - [[planning:logistics:cupertino-2023|DIY backyard barbecue]], fantasai &co hosting, 10min drive from Apple, extra guests welcome, please come even if you're local... * Airports: * SJC - San Jose Airport (16km drive, **closest**, be careful to use correct airport code) * SFO - San Francisco Airport (54km drive, **major hub**) * OAK - Oakland Airport (69km drive) * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2023JulSep/0048.html|Dial-in info for virtual attendees]] ===== Agenda ===== https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/projects/38 ==== Meeting Minutes ==== * Tuesday, July 18 * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0011.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0012.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0013.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0014.html]] * Wednesday, July 19 * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0015.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0016.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0017.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0018.html]] * Thursday, July 20 * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0019.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0020.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0021.html]] * Friday, July 21 * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0022.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0023.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0024.html]] * [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2023Sep/0025.html]] ==== Goals ==== * Reduce Agenda+ backlog: * [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Agenda%2B+F2F%22|Agenda+ F2F]] * [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AAgenda%2B|Agenda+]] * [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Agenda%2B+Later%22|Agenda+ Later]] * [[https://github.com/w3c/css-houdini-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Agenda%2B%22+|Houdini Agenda+]] * [[https://github.com/w3c/fxtf-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Agenda%2B%22+|FXTF Agenda+]] * Allow time and space for fuzzier open-ended discussions and breakouts * Post-pandemic repair of group communication and collaboration (particularly across company boundaries) ==== Possible breakout topics ==== * Line-breaking and related features in [[https://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/|CSS Text Level 4]] * line-clamp, continue: discard, and friends (also listed as a main track topic, but a break-out might be useful for a deep-dive, before bringing back potential conclusions to the main track) (Andreu Botella would like to join remotely. Europe-friendly scheduling appreciated) * ??? Add Suggestions Here ??? ==== Regular-track topics ==== In addition to [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Agenda%2B+F2F%22|Agenda+ F2F Issues]]... * Anchor Positioning * Masonry? * CSS Grid Layout L1 fixes (any output from Tab+Oriol+fantasai’s workday on Monday) * Line-clamp (Andreu Botella would like to join remotely. Europe-friendly scheduling appreciated) * styling of details elements (see [[https://github.com/dbaron/details-styling|somewhat draft-y document]]) (could be a lightning pitch, except I think a little discussion would be useful) * ??? Add topics you want to discuss / present here so the chairs can schedule them ??? * FXTF/Houdini - merging back into CSSWG? * Future of SVG - WG has been effectively dead for years, should we take it over? Do something else? ==== Lightning Pitches ==== 1min-5min informal pitches to ask for CSSWG’s attention / help on particular issues, concerns, or feature requests that aren't ready for formal discussion, see [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2023JulSep/0031.html|Lightning Pitches Description]]. Register your name and/or topics below if you want the wiki to help you remember. * Sebastian Zartner: [[https://github.com/SebastianZ/advanced-transforms|Advanced transforms]] * Yehonatan Daniv: animation-trigger, [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8942|issue]] * Yehonatan Daniv: Expand filter capabilities, [[https://twitter.com/anatudor/status/1669878134932488194|reference tweet]] * Christopher Cameron: Dynamic range limit for HDR content [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9074|issue]], [[https://github.com/ccameron-chromium/hdr-headroom-limit/blob/main/EXPLAINER.md|proposal]], [[https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1K2xbf2eaWFszl-3lhbeaRUc_GdL6Jjr5jAZBqBpv2vI/edit?usp=sharing|slides]] * David Baron: focusability of `display: contents`; see [[https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/772|mozilla/standards-positions#772]] and [[https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/164|WebKit/standards-positions#164]] * fantasai: [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9076|counters() nonsense]] * Sebastian Zartner: [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8399|feature testing nesting]] + [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9082|avoid double-importing stylesheets]] * bramus: `@config` * fantasai: CSS Grid and CSS Flexbox should not be 3-5 years out of date. * bramus: Animation Timelines * bramus: catering for scrollbars – overflow state query + [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4691|issue]] + [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7697#issuecomment-1314481766|issue]] * Sebastian Zartner: [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3937|cropping in the middle of a string]] ===== Attendees ===== ==== Hosts === Apple attendees who can help visitors with issues they may encounter during the F2F. IN-PERSON SIGN-UPS ARE NOW CLOSED!!! ^ Name ^ Arrival ^ Departure ^ Hotel ^ Dietary Restrictions ^ Flights or Other Notes ^ | Theresa O'Connor (hober) | local | local | local | | | | fantasai | early | late | AirBnB | gluten-free appreciated | | | Tim Nguyen (ntim) | local | local | local | | | | Megan Gardner | local | local | local | | | | Jen Simmons | week before | week after | nearby hotel | will get my own food since I cannot eat 99% of foods / can only eat about 12 ingredients | | | Simon Fraser | local | local | local | | | | Myles C. Maxfield | local | local | local | | | | Brandon Stewart | Jul 16 | Jul 22 | nearby hotel | none | | | Sammy Gill | Jul 17 | Jul 22 | Residence Inn Cupertino | | AS 3453, AS 3498 | IN-PERSON SIGN-UPS ARE NOW CLOSED!!! ==== In-Person Participants ==== When in a U-shape configuration, the room has capacity for 30 people. But the maximum capacity of the room is 160, so we can probably squeeze a few more than 30 in pretty comfortably. IN-PERSON SIGN-UPS ARE NOW CLOSED!!! ^ Name ^ Arrival ^ Departure ^ Hotel ^ Dietary Restrictions ^ Flights or Other Notes ^ | Alan | Jul 17 | Jul 21 | Courtyard by Marriot Sunnyvale | | Will rent car, can give people rides from the NW direction if needed | | Rachel Andrew | Jul 17 | Jul 23 | Homewood Suites Silicon Valley| [[https://gist.github.com/rachelandrew/7dc7f20632c9d2b5d4e906c2778bb4d9|I made a list.]] |BA283 + AA4863 - AS2401 + BA282 | | Oriol Brufau | Jul 15 | Jul 22 | AirBnB | Strong dislike of cheese and shellfish | | | Bramus | Jul 16 | Jul 26 | Wild Palms Hotel | None | SAS 594+935 - SAS 936+597 | | Miriam Suzanne | Jul 17 | Jul 22 | AirBnB | vegetarian | | | Rossen | Jul 18 | Jul 22 | AirBnB | pescatarian | | | ChangSeok Oh | local | local | local | | | | Tab Atkins-Bittner | local | local | local | | | | David Baron | Jul 17 | Jul 21 | Wild Palms Hotel | no red meat | [[https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1742|UA 1742]] (Mon 15:25 SFO), [[https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2046|UA 2046]] (Fri 21:35 SFO) | | Sebastian Zartner | July 17 | July 22 | AirBnB | no shellfish | [[https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL195|UA 195]] (Mon 14:20 SFO), [[https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL8882|UA 8882]] (Sat 21:10 SFO) | | Florian Rivoal | July 17 | July 22 | AirBnB | omnivore | KL2084+KL5192 / AF2840+AF0009| | Ian Kilpatrick | local | local | local | no shellfish | | | Cassondra Roberts | Jul 17 | Jul 21 | Element Santa Clara | mostly vegan but flexible w/honey, fish, etc. | Delta into SJC | | Daniel Holbert | local | local | local | None | Planning to attend in-person for at least one day (not sure yet which day(s)) | | Nicole Sullivan | local | local | local | | | | Tantek Çelik | local | local | local | vegan | solid maybe, and tbd which days and for how long | | Emilio Cobos | July 17 | July 22 | AirBnB | omnivore | | IN-PERSON SIGN-UPS ARE NOW CLOSED!!! ==== Virtual Participants ==== **Dial-in info can be found [[https://www.w3.org/mid/m27cr46d98.fsf@apple.com|in the w3c-css-wg archives]].** Please list your availability in California time (morning/afternoon/all or specific time ranges). See [[https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=5391959,2988507,293397,2158177&h=5391959&date=7/18/2023%7C3&hf=1|Time Converter]] ^ Name ^ Timezone ^ PDT Availability ^ Other Notes ^ | François Remy | CEST (PDT+9) | 08:00-16:00 | Tuesday for two hours, All the other days until I fall asleep (possibly until EOD, as I'm jetlagged) | | Yehonatan Daniv | IDT (PDT+10) | 08:00-15:00 | | | Chris Lilley | EEST (PDT+10) | 08:00-11:00 | unable to travel | | Lea Verou | EEST (PDT+10) | 9am-11am every day, also 8am-9am on Fri | | | Vladimir Levin | EDT | 08:00-15:00 | | | Rob Flack | EDT | 08:00-15:00 | | | Jonathan Kew | (PDT+8) | 08:00-14:00 | Part-time, depending on schedule of agenda topics | | Vitor Ribeiro Roriz | CEST | | | | Cameron McCormack | AEST (PDT+17) | 13:00-17:00 | Will be in and out Tue-Thu afternoons, not available Fri | | Matthieu Dubet | CEST (PDT+9) | | | | Khushal Sagar | EDT | 08:00-16:00 | Can attend all day Tuesday + Wednesday. Won't be able to attend the last 2 days | | David Leininger | EDT | | Double booked for a week long office event in NYC. Will in and out as available. | | Mason Freed | PDT | 08:00-16:00 | Very part-time, depending on agenda | | Fernando Serboncini | EDT | 08:00-16:00 | | | Federico Bucchi | PDT | 09:00-13:00 | | | Jennifer Strickland | EDT | all | in and out | | Una Kravets | EDT | all | in and out | | Mu-An Chiou | PDT+15 | 08:00-09:00, 15:00-16:00 | timezones | | Adam Argyle | PDT | all | in and out | | Delan Azabani | AWST (PDT+15) | 08:00-11:00 | | | Peter Linss | PDT | 08:00-16:00 | | | Noam Rosenthal | PDT+10 | 10:00-11:30 | Available Tue-Thu | | Joey Arhar | PDT | | | | Stephen Chenney | EDT | 8:00 - 13:00, limited other times | Highlight pseudo issues + others of interest | | Xiaocheng Hu | PDT | | | | Alison Maher | PDT | all | Part-time, depending on agenda | | Andreu Botella | CEST | 08:00-14:00 | Preferably 8:00-12:00 | | Christopher Cameron | CEST | 12:00-15:00 | in and out | | Chris Harrelson | PDT | 8:00-16:00 | In and out | | Greg Whitworth | PDT | 08:00-16:00 | Tooltip & Anchor positioning | ==== Regrets ==== ^ Name ^ | Bobby Jo Steffl |